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chip
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 Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 4:50 pm Post subject: Uprated transfer boxes (from Qrew in sweden) |
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Im looking at putting together a group buy for these boxes, and then hopefully after that, stock them in future for people to buy direct from me, hopefully at a similar price still, but will depend on demand of course.
Price would be 900 pounds, plus an exchange transfer box, and would be based on you coming to me with your exchange and collecting your box from me. (at same time, not two trips!)
There would be a 50% deposit up front, non refundable if you change your mind.
If your box turns out not to be suitable for exchange (ie its not a working box) then there is a 100 pounds surcharge on it if the gears are broken, if the gears are ok, but it puts the light on in the car (seals gone etc), then there is a 50 pounds surcharge on it.
Outright price is 1000 pounds if you dont wish to supply a box in exchange at all
If you dont wish to collect (from somerset) then obviously you can pay UK postage both ways, probably about 50 quid total.
It will be several months down the line from now when I have the boxes, so no good to you if you are in a rush.
Deposit will not be required until a month before you will recieve the box, but anyone wishing to ensure they are in the first batch (which will probably only be 6 boxes) can do so by giving me a 50 pounds non refundable deposit ASAP to ensure their place in the que.
Interesting to anyone?
Just offering on VauxSport.com for now, but will extend this onto clubcalibra.net in the near future.
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| Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 5:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 8:30 pm Post subject: |
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While he's had great sucess in use of the box for drag etc I think I would personally like some information on it before paying out. what its capable of etc.
I'm not sure its something i'd be interested in at the mo anyway(though possibly batch2), but Im sure anyone else would also like to know before spending out.
What has been changed/strengthened, what kind of testing have they been put through, just drag, or track/rally/road etc? It sounds good money if the right things have been done! but as far as i know he just drags it?? has the R'n'D been done road testing it also? without knowing whats been changed its hard to say if thats needed though.
is he letting out enough detail to make those kind of desicions? or is it just buy it and trust he's done a good job?? I'd want one for a track car more than drag. so good cooling is a must, not just 15seconds use. |
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| Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 8:47 pm Post subject: |
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Think i'm in the same boat as stupink, the later batch's will probably hold more interest for me providing those who get the 1st bacth have some form of sucess.
On mig Qrew says his friend has done 1500 mile ish on 700nm of abuse before it broke....lets say i do average yearly mileage, its still gonna be mullered within 2 month 
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| Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 11:32 pm Post subject: |
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If you want more than 700NM to be reliable on your transmission, then the vauxhall stuff isnt for you, modified or not im afraid mate if you drive hard.
Qrew uprates the box to transfer more power to the rear wheels, and also makes it stronger, but only by a finite amount.
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vexorg
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| Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 4:12 pm Post subject: |
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Much as I'd like an uprated 4x4 system, I'm doubtful it's suitable for road use. Qrew says himself it's only designed for drag racing and he switches it to 2wd off the strip.
If you have the link stiffer from front and rear then it could possible make cornering worse as you'll be forcing wheels to lose traction. And reversing round at full lock could leave you with a box of broken gears, it's tight enough with the standard box.
How many x'000 miles will it last on sensible power levels? |
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chip
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| Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 5:00 pm Post subject: |
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| vexorg wrote: | Much as I'd like an uprated 4x4 system, I'm doubtful it's suitable for road use. Qrew says himself it's only designed for drag racing and he switches it to 2wd off the strip.
If you have the link stiffer from front and rear then it could possible make cornering worse as you'll be forcing wheels to lose traction. And reversing round at full lock could leave you with a box of broken gears, it's tight enough with the standard box.
How many x'000 miles will it last on sensible power levels? |
Reverse is easily solved by putting the reverse lights into the loop for cutting the clutch, but TBH im not convinced it will be a problem anyway.
As for road use, the speed differential front to rear is very small in all but the tightest of cornering, and the system still requires a reasonable difference in order to cause any transfer of power.
I'll get Qrew to provide some input though as he obviously has more details than me 
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| Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 5:36 pm Post subject: |
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I could probably bear leaving it off mainly for road use, but definately want track use. but i'd think anything ok on track will do road anyway lol. so kinda irrelevant.. deffo get some feedback if you can though.  i'll be starting work on the shell again later this year i'd think. maybe. lol. |
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chip
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| Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 5:37 pm Post subject: |
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TBH, im my opinion, its a good idea having a switch even for the standard car, I cant see any point having the 4wd engaged on a motorway etc.
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| Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 5:40 pm Post subject: |
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| Yeah i do have mine switched and cant fault the system and its always off long runs or anywhere heat buildup could happen when 4x4 isnt needed/wanted and also for tight turning etc. well worth installing it. |
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chip
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| Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 5:42 pm Post subject: |
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The way I see it, any time you arent going to be engaged in "spirited driving" it makes sense turning it off.
any time you are engaged in spirited driving, its worth having the qrew one!
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| Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 8:28 pm Post subject: |
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| In dry weather i'd agree with that. however in a tuned cally/cav in the wet you're going to want the 4x4 under mild driving conditions. where the std box is just fine, but his may be unsuitable.. as yet to hear back it hasnt got to be anywhere near spirited to light the fronts up so you can't switch it off quite as often as perhaps you may think.. not unless you find wheelspin acceptable. which some may. |
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| Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 10:41 pm Post subject: |
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Hi all!
My boxes ARE NOT unbreakable, but they are fair more sustainable than the original one which is really weak, mostly because of badly maintenace from first owners and to small design...
for track and ordinary driving I recommend 180nm (QVC-R180) visco.
for dragracing an really cool driving it's a 300nm visco.
One customer (the 700nm+ guy) he drived like a maniac for 250km in 3months this summer, then the box braked (probably because I made him a locked box which I don't recommend to anyone with more than original engine...) If the hydralic clutch is used, there shouldn't be any problems.
NO ONE have braked a box from me with hydralic clutch fully working.
And for your information, I have opened at least 3 Dorfbrunnen boxes that was just garbage left inside, and they payed tripple for that kind of box than what mine cost...and they didn't last.
I believe in this boxes, they are better than the standard one and the are much more fun to drive...
I can't guarantee anything, but IF you brake the box somehow, I think we can sort something out to make you all satisfied customers.
I'm not here to decieve, I'm here to help.
And I don't make "really big money" on this, there are other who does that in the "tuning business".
If you have more questions, don't hesitate to question me or contact me.
Chip is here to lower the price for you guys, so be kind to him.
Best Regards Natanael
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| Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 9:29 am Post subject: |
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Well, ignore everything I've said, I've always assumed the modded tx boxes were 5 to 10 times the torque rating.
I'd think you'd need to bring the price down a fair bit, it's close to cav16's price, but without the reconditioning or warranty. |
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| vexorg wrote: | | I'd think you'd need to bring the price down a fair bit, it's close to cav16's price, but without the reconditioning or warranty. |
Put simply, buy a cav16 one then if your not happy with the price Qrew and Chip want for one of these box's. |
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chip
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| Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 10:42 am Post subject: |
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| vexorg wrote: | Well, ignore everything I've said, I've always assumed the modded tx boxes were 5 to 10 times the torque rating.
I'd think you'd need to bring the price down a fair bit, it's close to cav16's price, but without the reconditioning or warranty. |
Cav16, do NOTHING to re-enfroce the box to make it stronger, and their warranty has the following conditions to it:
| Quote: | 1. If the transfer box is operated without the specified synthetic Oil OPEL/Vauxhall/Holden - Part No: 1940703 / 90443530. - (600 ml)
2. If any other than the original OPEL/Vauxhall/Holden oil has been used.
3. If the tyres on the front and the rear axles are not of the same brand, type, size & rating.
4. If the difference between the tread depth of any two tyres is more then 2 mm, and/or the difference in circumference exceeds 15 mm.
5. If the rims on the front and the rear axle are not of the same brand, type and dimensions, or if they have anything other than the standard offset.
6. If the car has been lowered and operated with the camber angles outside the camber values stated in the OPEL/Vauxhall/ Holden handbook. (Vectra/Cavalier: -2° +/-40' and Calibra -2°17' +/-40')
7. If the hydraulic pressure accumulator bulb has not been upgraded. A new Vauxhall/OPEL accumulator bulb has a broad white ring.
8. If the pressure accumulator bulb is older than 6 years or has exceeded 54'000 miles / 90'000 km in use.
9. If the spare wheel has not been used in accordance with handbook. i.e. It has been driven at more than 50MPH / 80 km/h and/or without first removing fuse No. 19).
10. If the power output of the engine has been increased without upgrading the viscous coupling.
11. If the vehicle has been used for any Racing.
12. If the hydraulic pressure is outside the working limits of 53 bar +/- 5 bar, as measured at the accumulator control block.
13. If the 'Dorfbrunnen' lead seal is damaged or removed.
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Now bearing in mind that point 10 means that if you have got more than standard power output you have to go to the dearer sports box, and for everyone we are aiming this box at (who will ALL be 300bhp+ at some point realistically) you have to go onto their "race" box which has NO warranty AT ALL, and point 11 means you can never quartermile the car in the entire time you own it even if its standard power!
So vexorg can you really name me ANYONE who is going to be buying this box and realistically will:
Not have tuned or intend to tune the engine beyond 300bhp
Not EVER run a quarter mile
Bottom line is, the warranty you would get from Cav16 is useless to anyone I envisage buying one of these boxes anyway, the only box they would be considering from cav 16 is the race one, and Qrews box is less than half the price of their race one AND is stronger and neither has a warranty!
So no, I dont think the price needs lowering to compete with a box thats weaker, more than twice as expensive and has no warranty either!
With regards to the "reconditioned" side of things, Qrew will replace anything that desperately needs replacing anyway as part of the service, with either new or serviceable secondhand components, he isnt going to send you back a box that doesnt work.
The key thing Im getting at here, its that tts a DIFFERENT market here to cav16's which is basically all about standard cars.
We however are selling these boxes to people who are going to abuse them, and put more power through them than standard and quarter mile them like Qrew did, for these things its not about having new seals that will last 15 years again anyway TBH as your will have the engine out long before then anyway!
Iits about having strength added to the casing etc to take that abuse for short periods, if you want to drive a totally standard calibra turbo and are looking for a box you can fit and forget for the next 15 years and never do a qaurter on and it last 150,000 miles or more, then the recon Cav16 box or a vauxhall exchange box is what you should be going for.
For those people who insist they want all parts replaced with new, then Qrew will do that too if you want, but of course there will be an additional charge (which will be less than the price of a cav16 recon box, which is over a grand), or if you like you can get a cav16 box and send that one to Qrew to uprate.
The service Qrew is providing is making the box stronger, and transfer more to the rear, THAT is what you are paying for here, so to compare that to the cav16 price you need to be taking the price of the race box and subtracting the price of their recon box, but bare in mind that they still dont provide the extra strength that Qrew does.
So if you want other things you can have it, but there is a charge for it just like from Cav16 there is.
Bottom line is if you have a 400bhp+ LET that you intend to quarter mile, and you recognise you WILL get failures eventually realistically (the engine itself wont be lasting 150K either and you are a fool if you think it will at that level, and your F28 wont be doing 150K at that level either) then this is the box for you, if you want a box that lasts forever, there is NOTHING on the market AT ALL that is guarenteed at that power level to be long term reliable, not from Cav16 or anyone else, its just not a realistic wish in the first place, you need to be looking at a transmission swap out of a celica or evo etc if that is what you require.
The only think I do agree with that is good about the cav16 race box compared to Qrew's is the use of an oil cooler, but we're of the opinion thats not needed for most types of use, if however someone is going to be doing a lot of trackdays, I would recomend that they go down this route and we will make provision (at extra cost of course) for them to do so at a later date if this is what people specify they want.
In the mean time we would simply recomend people fit a gauge or light to the thermostat in the box so they know when its getting too hot, they will soon then know if they require the cooler or not, but in normal road driving and for quarters, they wont need it IMHO.
Finally, when considering the cav16 "race" one (which is about 3K last time I checked IIRC) remember you can NOT currently have one anyway:
| Quote: | | NOTE - The Racing Transfer Box is currently unavailable until more Gear & Pinion assemblies are manufactured. |
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chip
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| Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 11:03 am Post subject: |
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Can anyone provide links of any other manufacturers transfer box for the F28 than can do this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAABq1fg9Zs
(4wd donuts)
Or this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ab50X_Vqtic
(lighting up all 4 wheels and running an 11 second quarter)
At the end of the day Qrew is openly proven to work, on his car, time and time again, and at power levels most people in the uk will never achieve, none of the other boxes (which cost far MORE!) are!
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| Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 11:07 am Post subject: |
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 I'd have loved one of those for my Cav Turbo, if I'd had one I'd still own the fecker now. |
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chip
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| Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 11:09 am Post subject: |
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| tathan wrote: | | I'd have loved one of those for my Cav Turbo, if I'd had one I'd still own the fecker now. |
It makes a calibra or cavalier actually a viable car to own as a fast road car IMHO.
350bhp+ and one of these, and you are keeping up with some SERIOUS machinery
Im thoroughly looking forward to sorting out my calibra on one, I think it will really open peoples eyes as to how quick these cars can be in the real world.
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| Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 11:14 am Post subject: |
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| ok, as I wouldn't be after a "race" type box, I'll shut up |
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